"I'm interested in the artist as a threat to the state without abandoning aesthetics..."

"State as status quo? As static?"

"Definitely and threat as alternative or counterbalance or something of that accord... How do you feel about 'The Conservatism is Apparent'? I'm not positive the title is working for me."

"Why not? That's what it's all about."

"I don't know, it just seems a little... like post-modernism, past maybe, lingo for something that was, not is?.."

"But it's all about Conservatism being everywhere, which it is."

"Yeah, it is... well let's just think about it."